TwelveHorses.com Sucks on behalf of their Clients
As I’m sure anyone with an email account knows, spam can really piss you off sometimes. I think it pisses of a man who is responsible for the mail services of a small ISP way more than you or me. After hours of dutifully feeding and training the spam filters so they will properly reject those many millions of spams, at least one person deserves a friendly note.
www.josephmichaels.com and www.twelvehorses.com have either harvested email addresses, or bought and used a list of emails harvested off the internet. This makes them spammers because are sending unsolicited bulk email. Oh, that’s not so bad, the Republican party did the same thing for the election.
Okay, really it is bad. Its as if they were riding around in the back of the mail truck writing “Buy Counterfeit Viagra” on the back of all your mail and then have your mail carrier deliver it to you. Then when you ask him to stop, he tells all of his buddies to join him, then there’s more and more, pretty soon your trash is overflowing and you have to call the trash company and pay extra to have them pick up the extra trash. I would be pretty pissed at the guy doing all of that.
Hey, If you feel like it, give them a call:
Here goes – SPAM – Disguised as legitimate marketing – from the people over at twelvehorses.com and josephmichaels.com. If you like, tell them what you think at 1(800) 786-1099 or 1.866.846.2846
Copy of messages below:
Chris
So what you are saying is that it is OK to send unsolicited commercial mail until someone complains and then you will remove them.
That is not any different than most of the million other unsolicited mailers our network sees every day.
I appreciate more than most the need to get a message out. But I don’t think this is the right way. On the other hand, it clearly makes money for someone. And if that is the primary goal, then what does it matter that you make it a million and one messages into my network.
The right thing to do was to acknowledge that you stole this mail address off the Internet or bought it from someone who did. And that you see the error of your ways and that you are going to go straightaway to work and come by your fortunes the old fashioned way.
But then if I am so smart, why ain’t I rich?
Best to you.
Bruce C
Chris wrote:
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> Hello Bruce,
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> You have been unsubscribed from the system. A block has also been placed on our system so that you cannot receive emails from Josephmichaels via our platform ever again. I have confirmed that this unsubscribe/block took place before we ever viewed your email via our automated system. We have also contacted Josephmichaels and they have removed your information from their system as well. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.
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> Kind Regards,
>
> Chris – Twelve Horses Technical Support
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> * From: * Bruce xxxxxx [mailto:bxxxxxx@xxxxxx.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:57 AM
> *To:* abuse@twelvehorses.com; hostmaster@viawest.net
> *Subject:* abuse from your network – [Fwd: The Network! #216 – Joe Pelayo Radio interview]
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>
>
> Hello
>
> re: Abuse from your network.
>
> Spry – this is promoting services running on your network.
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> Viawest – this mail came from your network
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> Josephmichaels – don’t know if you are even close to a real entity – but
> if you are, you are part of the problem. Get a real job!
>
> Bruce C
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> =A0
> What do John McCain, Barak Obama and Joe Pelayo have in common?=A0They
> were all interviewed on WSRadio recently.=A0To hear my interview, click
> here: =A0
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> > ichaels.com/about/president.shtml*http_mm_url_mm_www.josephmichaels.com/abo=
> ut/president.shtml>
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> To hear the other interviews, well you?ve probably heard enough from the
> other two in the last several months…
> Click the above link to hear Joe Pelayo interviewed on the
> PriceWaterhouseCoopers Radio show on WSRadio.com with host Steve
> Bengstrom.=A0Be sure you have 5 minutes or so, and have your speakers on.
>
>
>
> Joe Pelayo=A0- On the economy and the stock market:
> Maybe Chicken Little was right after all and the sky IS falling. But,
> you know how the media is so often on the lookout for bad news because
> it sells more newspapers. =A0I?m not saying everything is rosy, but to
> keep things in perspective, here are a few things to consider. =A0
> Yes the Dow fell in big numbers and on one day fell more points than it
> had fallen ever has. =A0But, did you know, that on a percentage basis,
> that big drop would not have even ranked in the top twenty drops of
> all-time?=20
>
> For example in 1987 the Dow dropped a record 500 points. Remember, they
> called it Black Monday? =A0At that time it represented a 22% drop.
> From September 3rd, 1929 to July 8th, 1932, the Dow dropped 339 points.
> That?s nothing in today?s measure in terms of points, but at the time,
> it represented an 89% drop from 389 points to 41.22, Wow! =A0
> So when the media mentions a big point drop, do a few things… First,
> do the math and look at the percentages. =A0Also, realize that for awhile,
> 300 is the new 100, you will see wide fluctuations for a time.=20
> As the media goes wild saying that, at this time, the Dow dropped the
> biggest point total in history. Don?t forget, 5 years ago, the Dow
> reached its high point total in the history of time! Keep things in
> perspective and even if Chicken Little says the sky is falling, remember
> that Joe Pelayo says that it isn?t. But, I am a devout optimist.
> The media would lead you to believe no one is hiring.=A0However, we are
> receiving calls still and new searches. =A0Smart companies, with the
> resources make use of times like these, to strategically top-grade their
> talent.=A0
>
> Joseph Michaels, Inc. can help you recruit executives who don?t think
> the sky is falling. People who you can bank on to get things done, even
> in uncertain times.=A0Call us today at 1(800) 786-1099.
> Warm regards,
>
>
>
> Joe Pelayo, C.E.O.
> Joseph Michaels, Inc.
> One Market Street
> Spear Tower , Suite 3600=20
> San Francisco , CA 94105=20
> Voice (415) 732-6142 FAX (415) 434-1165
> Email: jpelayo@josephmichaels.com
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> ——– Original Message ——–
> Subject: The Network! #216 – Joe Pelayo Radio interview
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:08:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Joe Pelayo
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> *The Network *#216
>
> *by Joe Pelayo*
>
> *1-800-786-1099*
>
> jpelayo@josephmichaels.com
>
> What do John McCain, Barak Obama and Joe Pelayo have in common?
>
> They were all interviewed on WSRadio recently.
>
> To hear my interview, click here:
>
> *http://www.josephmichaels.com/about/president.shtml
> *
>
> To hear the other interviews, well…you’ve probably heard enough from the
> other two in the last several months…Click the above link to hear Joe
> Pelayo interviewed on the PriceWaterhouseCoopers Radio show on
> WSRadio.com with host Steve Bengstrom. Be sure you have 5 minutes or so,
> and have your speakers on.
>
> ————————————————————————
>
> Joe Pelayo – On the economy and the stock market:
>
> Maybe Chicken Little was right after all and the sky IS falling. But,
> you know how the media is so often on the lookout for bad news because
> it sells more newspapers. I’m not saying everything is rosy, but to
> keep things in perspective, here are a few things to consider.
>
> Yes the Dow fell in big numbers and on one day fell more *points* than
> it had fallen ever has. But, did you know, that on a percentage basis,
> that big drop would not have even ranked in the top twenty drops of
> all-time? For example in 1987 the Dow dropped a record 500 points.
> Remember, they called it /Black Monday/? At that time it represented a
> 22% drop.
>
> From September 3^rd , 1929 to July 8^th , 1932, the Dow dropped 339
> points. That’s nothing in today’s measure in terms of *points*, but at
> the time, it represented an 89% drop from 389 points to 41.22, Wow!
>
> So when the media mentions a big point drop, do a few things… First,
> do the math and look at the percentages. Also, realize that for awhile,
> 300 is the new 100, you will see wide fluctuations for a time.
>
> As the media goes wild saying that, at this time, the Dow dropped the
> biggest point total in history. Don’t forget, 5 years ago, the Dow
> reached its high point total in the history of time! Keep things in
> perspective and even if Chicken Little says the sky is falling, remember
> that Joe Pelayo says that it isn’t. But, I am a devout optimist.
>
> The media would lead you to believe no one is hiring. However, we are
> receiving calls still for new searches. Smart companies, with the
> resources make use of times like these, to strategically top-grade their
> talent.
>
> Joseph Michaels, Inc. can help you recruit executives who don’t think
> the sky is falling. People who you can bank on to get things done, even
> in uncertain times. Call us today at 1(800) 786-1099.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Joe Pelayo, C.E.O.
> Joseph Michaels, Inc.
> One Market Street
> Spear Tower, Suite 3600
> San Francisco, CA 94105
> Voice (415) 434-1099FAX (415) 434-1165
> Email: jpelayo@josephmichaels.com
> Website: http://www.josephmichaels.com/
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